Talk about yourself in the third person. Addressing yourself in the third person - fulfilling your own desires

home On this moment There is debate among doctors about whether to understand sluggish schizophrenia as a form of a classic disease, or to isolate it as an independent nosological unit. This question came up because the symptoms of this disease are quite abstract, and can describe an absolutely healthy person with a special character. For example, eccentricity and strange appearance

are the most important manifestation of this disease, but how then to distinguish representatives of different subcultures (rappers, emo, goths, rockers, hippies, etc.) from patients. In other words, where is the line between normality and latent schizophrenia, and who determines it?

Clinical picture of the disease Usually, this type

Schizophrenia may begin to manifest itself at the age of 20-30 years, but an accurate and complete diagnosis is usually made only at 40 years of age. At the same time, signs of the disease are possible even at an early age, when the child unreasonably performs strange actions, for example, does homework only in the kitchen, or loves raisins, but never eats them in buns. It can be called a quirk if the child can explain why he does it, even if the explanation is illogical. If the child says “I don’t know,” this may indicate some prerequisites. Another common symptom is talking about oneself in the third person.

It is important that people with low-grade schizophrenia are aware of changes in their emotional and mental functioning, and, if desired, can appear very friendly, but this is usually a short-term mask. However, if a person is characterized by composure, indifference to the problems of loved ones, and at the same time for a long time

may not “remove” a smile, then psychologists say that such a person has schizophrenia bordering on sociopathy.

Signs of the disease

• According to the latest data, such schizophrenia is observed in 10-15% of people on the planet, and in most cases this disease is inherited. Among the main signs, doctors identify the following:
• isolation and reluctance to engage in social contacts;
• isolation and reluctance to engage in social contacts;
• very narrow circle of friends;
• eccentric behavior and a rather rude reaction to some external manifestations - casually spoken words, inappropriate posters, etc.);
• a combination of stereotypical thinking with rich imagination, leading to the appearance of illusions.

Of course the list similar signs quite large, and literally a coincidence with 3-4 points may indicate the presence of a latent form of the disease.

The Importance of Obsessions

I would like to draw special attention to the presence of obsessive ideas, which can be accompanied by various syndromes - the same syndrome of obsessive movements, when a person opens doors only with his left hand, or walks around a pillar with only his left hand. right side etc. Some obsession becomes such a part of a person’s life that patients explain it simply as a habit. This could be a desire to clean constantly, or to wash windows every last Thursday of the month. Amazingly, in order to implement an established idea, a person is even ready to take time off from work, which may indicate that the disease is progressing.

I would also like to draw attention to the fact that more than 60% of famous scientists, by all indications, suffered from this form of schizophrenia. Their obsession was science, for the sake of which they stopped thinking about everyday goods.

A striking example is the famous mathematician Perelman, who solved the Poincaré problem and refused the million-dollar reward, because for him the problem itself was important, not the profit. Another example is Isaac Newton, who was distinguished by a terribly harmful and malicious character, reluctance to often communicate with colleagues and excessive self-centeredness. What can we say about the closed Tesla or strange behavior Einstein.

Of course, this does not mean that sluggish schizophrenia is a sign of genius, because the above scientists made extensive efforts to achieve success in scientific field. But illness alone can lead to serious mental disorders, so it is necessary to take up her treatment. But since in this case there are no serious symptoms in the form of delusional hallucinations and socially dangerous actions, doctors usually prescribe only antipsychotics and sometimes psychoanalysis sessions.

Sometimes you have to communicate with people whose habits may seem unusual, and even unpleasant to someone who is especially sensitive. Among these individual characteristics, which not everyone likes, also includes the habit of speaking about oneself in the third person, that is, not “I’ll go for a walk,” but, for example, “Anton will go for a walk.” Why do some people tend to talk about themselves in the third person and what might this indicate?

Reasons to talk about yourself in the third person from a psychological point of view

In psychology, there is a special experiment during which its participants talk about themselves, speaking in the first, second or third person and in the singular or plural. At the same time, they are surprised to note for themselves how their attitude to what they are talking about and their sense of self changes depending on which person they are speaking from.

So, if a participant in the experiment refers to himself in the third person - that is, instead of using the pronoun “I” he uses “He/She” or calls himself by name - it becomes easier than ever for him to joke about himself. In addition, this form of conveying information to the interlocutor allows you to express your true intentions and interests as clearly and sincerely as possible. The fact is that, speaking in this way, a person sees the situation as if from the outside and does not feel emotionally involved in it, while at the same time remaining as collected and focused as possible.

Why do people talk about themselves in the third person - what do they think?

Those around people who often talk about themselves in the third person often believe that this habit indicates an overly inflated self-esteem. Sometimes this assumption is not so far from the truth. Some people who talk about themselves this way really revel in self-importance and significance, feeling almost omnipotent. This can often be characteristic of high-ranking persons; sometimes they talk about themselves not only in the third person, but also use the sovereign “We”.

However, in most cases, what a person says about himself as if from the outside is used by him precisely to express an ironic attitude towards himself. Perhaps he would be embarrassed to tell something in the first person, whereas speaking about himself as someone from the outside, he seems to be outside the situation. At the same time, this manner of presenting information about oneself allows one to, as it were, reduce the degree of responsibility, as if shifting it to another person about whom we're talking about. Thus, this habit may also indicate self-doubt and even an inferiority complex.

In any case, people are imperfect, and each of them should have the right to small characteristics of character, for example, such as the habit of talking about themselves exactly about someone else.

Consultation for parents

THE CHILD TALKS ABOUT HIMSELF IN THE THIRD PERSON OR CONFUSES GENDER

Parents always have reasons to worry. It would seem that just recently the child did not speak at all, and now the long-awaited “breakthrough” has come and the baby is constantly trying to tell you something. But for some reason he talks about himself as if from the outside: “Dima is thirsty” or “Katya is wearing a dress.” Is this normal, and if so, up to what age? How to teach a child to talk about himself like an adult - “I”? And what should you do if the baby calls himself “I”, but at the same time confuses the endings, saying “did” instead of “did”?

When does a child start talking about himself in the third person?

Everyone knows that young children often talk about themselves in the third person. Psychologists associate this with an unformed awareness of oneself as an individual person, or unfinished self-identification.

Parents can’t wait to teach their baby to speak, and they focus his attention on the simplest and most important words: “mom, dad” and, of course, the name of the child himself. It is known that children's first words are the ones they hear most often. Images of loved ones and an understanding of his name are fixed in the baby’s mind. He can point to his own reflection in the mirror, calling himself, for example, “lyalya” or his name. At one and a half to two years old, phrasal speech is formed, and the baby begins to connect words into simple sentences. It is at this time that children begin to use phrases like “Take Katya in your arms” in their speech.

Self-identification, or the child’s awareness of his “I”

The child gradually realizes himself as a person. It is believed that only by their third birthday do children psychologically “separate,” or separate, from their mother. Of course, this is not a one-time process, but usually at the age of 3 years there is a crisis of awareness of oneself as an individual. The baby begins to understand that he is not a part of his mother, not some abstract boy or girl, but “I”. He confidently states “I want”, “Give me.” At the age of three, children persistently defend their independence, which can be expressed in whims, negativism, stubbornness, and disobedience.

If the child talks about himself in the second person

From about the middle of the third year of life until the age of 3, all babies go through a certain stage of self-awareness. Actively replenished lexicon, a child, like a sponge, absorbs everything he hears. Some children answer the question: “Do you want to drink?” They answer: “Do you want?” This is normal for children of the third year of life, but experts say that this should no longer happen at three years of age. The speech of a three-year-old is quite understandable even for outsiders, it is well constructed and contains the designation of oneself as “I”. If your child has deviations from these norms, we recommend contacting a specialist (neurologist, psychologist).

Until what age does a child talk about himself in the third person?

In almost all families where there are small children, it is customary to talk to them in a certain way: “Now Vova’s mother will dress him, and Vova will go for a walk”; “Did Masha like the porridge?”; “Mom and dad will buy Dasha a doll.” Such treatment is somewhat justified with babies who are several months old. But mothers get so accustomed to this “detached” image that they continue to talk about themselves in the third person even with two-year-olds, and what’s more, sometimes even with four-year-olds! It is not surprising that children, learning from adults, begin to repeat after them: “Give Katya an apple” or “Sasha wants to go for a walk.” Parents find it cute and even funny, but up to a certain age. If a child speaks well, but calls himself by name, this is somewhat harsh on the ears.

Children usually stop talking about themselves in the third person by about 3 years of age. Psychologists explain this “revolution” of children’s speech with maturation and emerging self-awareness. However, there are examples of families in which children were never spoken of in a detached manner, in the third person, and were always addressed as if they were other people: “Do you want to go for a walk?”, “Which toy do you like best?”, “I’ll put your pants on now.” " Otherwise, the upbringing of these kids was no different from the upbringing in ordinary families: they were also heavily patronized, and their independence was not particularly encouraged. Surprisingly, such children not only never spoke about themselves in the third person, but also the “3-year crisis” did not manifest itself in any way. There was no stubbornness, no negativism, no emphatic “I do it myself!”

From the above example, it becomes clear: the problem with the transition from the third to the first person in designating oneself may well be caused by the incorrect way adults address the child. Imagine yourself in the place of a child! When talking to him, mom calls herself mom, dad calls herself dad, and grandma calls herself grandma. And when communicating with each other, parents talk about themselves completely differently. Even when asking questions, the child himself is addressed: “Does Dasha want to eat?” So the baby has to independently adapt to “adult” speech, simultaneously experiencing the notorious self-identification. Maybe you shouldn't make life difficult for your children?

Some psychologists generally do not recommend using references to yourself and the child in the third person in your speech. This way, you will increase the chances of raising him to be independent, confident, active and sociable. If addressing “you” and “I” is an impossible task for you, we recommend that you at least listen to how you speak to your baby. Try to "dilute" the third person first. Say about yourself, “I’m cooking dinner,” not “Mom is cooking dinner.” This will definitely help your child get closer to “normal” speech.

A child (boy) talks about himself in the feminine gender: is this normal?

It often happens that boys talk about themselves in the feminine gender. Hear from the lips little son The phrases: “I ate”, “I played”, “I took” are somewhat strange for my mother, and for some even scary. Girls talk about themselves somewhat less often masculine, and usually parents are not so worried about it. The reason for such confusion is trivial: the boy spends a lot of time with his mother, grandmother or sister and simply copies them. Girls talk about themselves as boys less often, because usually parenting is still a woman's job. The exception is when a girl grows up with one dad or spends a lot of time with her brothers.

Don’t scold your son (or daughter) for “wrong” pronunciation. Don't focus on this issue at all. Just continue to call your child normally, according to his gender. If your son says: “I built a road,” answer: “Show me what kind of road you built!” That’s what an excellent builder you are!” Emphasize the differences in behavior between men and women in conversations with your child. Show joy if your son helped you: “You are a real man, you help a woman!” And do not perceive temporary difficulties with a child’s gender self-identification as a problem.

When does a child start talking about himself in the first person and when is it time to worry?

Parents whose kids speak well, but constantly refer to themselves in the third person, are undoubtedly interested in the question: “When does a child start talking about himself as “I”?”

As mentioned above, children usually stop talking about themselves in a detached manner by the age of three.

If your child at 3 years old still talks about himself in the third person, do not rush to panic, but listen to his own speech. Perhaps it's time to stop underestimating your baby and start treating him like an adult.

At 4 years old, it is rare for children to talk about themselves in the third person. If your baby is one of these children, do not rush to consider this a sign of autism. Perhaps adults themselves confuse the child by speaking incorrectly. Plus, most likely, he has not yet fully completed the stage of self-identification. However, it still wouldn’t hurt to consult a child psychologist and speech pathologist.

Forming a correct perception of yourself is an important part of life. small child. We wish you to go through this period easily and not to forget that the baby is very smart and receptive to the speech of adults.+

Feb. 22nd, 2009 | 08:40 pm
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in search of myself...

I read various articles because I am very interested in why people very often talk about themselves in the third person. Is it possible to abstract your personality? What are the reasons behind this? What to do about it?
For example, I don’t feel comfortable when a person talks about himself as if he were talking about someone else... This is probably due to some kind of fear. Or as it is written below - belittling oneself, associating oneself with a student, servant, child... Is it possible to see a manifestation of immaturity in this? Or am I exaggerating and tying the concept human personality to some clear factors of what not to do? Maybe this is the opposite manifestation of the multidimensionality of personality? Her unselfishness?

Well, what should I think if a person tells me: “Vasya wants to eat, Dasha is fine, Lucy misses you,” etc.? Special if he/she is talking about himself/herself?

To me, this sounds like suppression of one’s personality, the suppression of self-expression.
Or maybe I'm wrong? Share your thoughts on this matter, please.

"...In classical Latin, the word "Ego" was used to emphasize the significance of a face and contrast it with others. Like a direct look into the eyes, which in many animals serves as a sign of challenge, but in people is carefully regulated (subjects were often forbidden to raise their eyes to their sovereign ; to this day it is considered indecent and provocative to stare into the eyes. to a stranger), addressing in the first person, regardless of its content, has a connotation of self-affirmation. To avoid the confrontation associated with this, a system of linguistic rituals was developed, in particular an indirect form of address, when the one being addressed is called in the third person or descriptively ("my lord", "sir", etc.). Deference in addressing the highest is complemented by derogatory epithets towards oneself: instead of “I” one says, for example, “most humble servant”, “unworthy slave”.

This "ceremonial speech" or "title language" has ancient tradition and is available in all languages. Its forms are especially sophisticated in the languages ​​of the peoples of the South - East Asia. In the Chinese and Vietnamese languages, it is generally not customary to talk about oneself in the first person: instead of “I,” one should indicate the relationship in which the speaker is to the interlocutor. “The custom of speaking about oneself in the third person reproduces, down to the details, the existing social hierarchy. The individual thus endlessly reminds himself that in the face of his king he is a subject, in the face of a teacher he is a student, in front of an elder he is a junior, etc. He , so to speak, does not exist except in connection with the other. His “I” is consistently identified with his many family and social roles.”21
..."

I.S.Kon "In search of myself"

reasons (observations):

1. Rejection, rejection of oneself. Childhood and youth trauma. The desire to be different. So that you are loved and respected.
2.

Post date: 16.12.2009 13:45

Tatiana

My friend often talks about himself in the third person. For example: “The cat is hot today. The cat is sick today (fell, sad, etc.) The cat is a nickname. What could this mean? How does it characterize this person?

Post date: 17.12.2009 00:46

Margarita Vladimirovna

I like the psychologist N. Kozlov, he conducted an exercise in which people talked about themselves in various persons and numbers, this is what he said about people who talked about themselves in the third person singular:
“When a person talks about himself in the third person singular, he discovers that it becomes surprisingly easy to joke about himself, it’s surprisingly easy to clearly and clearly explain what he wants and what he will do - from the outside he really knows better, it’s easy for him to talk, difficult moments in relationships with subordinates, without getting involved in feelings, but remaining within the common cause and common goal."
But he says this within the framework special exercise.

I have several points of view on this problem:
1) just kidding;

3) a person wants to look at himself from the outside;
4) the desire to attract attention to one’s person through an extraordinary appeal to oneself.

Post date: 17.12.2009 09:12

Sergey

The roof is just going crazy.

Post date: 17.12.2009 12:12

Sergey, why so categorical? Don't you have "cockroaches" in your head?

Tatyana, sometimes I talk about myself in the third person. After analyzing why this happens, I realized that I was doing this:
1) for self-irony;
2) when I experience strong feelings, which I want to discuss with the one for whom I feel them.
In both cases it is much easier to talk this way.

Post date: 17.12.2009 15:29

Tatiana

I think there are 2 options:
1) self-irony
2) he has internal conflict, lack of attention in childhood, lack of some third party in the child’s life (possibly an incomplete family);

Post date: 23.12.2009 15:57

Avdeev Sergey

Wolf Messing spoke about himself in the third person! "Wolf wants some tea..." Perhaps genius, but perhaps... not. Only timely contact with a specialist can prevent... or develop....
If this is an adult, then avoidance of responsibility is possible.
You can assume and prove anything.
I think that every person has the right to have his own “quirk” or his own picture of the world. It may stress others out, make them happy or make them laugh.... Choose...

Post date: 21.03.2010 11:29

Evgeniya

But for me it comes from embarrassment, when I want to avoid multiple “I”s and seem immodest.

Post date: 08.06.2010 23:45

Eugene

Guy Julius Caesar wrote an autobiographical book, "The Life of Caesar." He wrote it about his beloved self, but in the third person. As a result, this led to the fact that the text is perceived as more reliable and objective - after all, this assessment was given by someone from the outside, and not by the author himself. Perhaps the Cat is as wise as Caesar.

Post date: 18.08.2010 16:21

Sasha

I have a habit of talking about myself in the 3rd person, and about myself in old age. I call myself Baba Shura. I don’t understand why... How can this be interpreted?

Post date: 23.12.2010 17:27

12312

complete nonsense. This forum is bullshit!

Post date: 30.12.2010 00:09

Nastya

I also sometimes talk about myself in the 3rd person.
At this moment I:
1) or I am trying to resolve a difficult situation (for I am a person who falls from one extreme to another) and there is no one to help me.
2) Either I want to show a person about pride (even though there is no such thing), only if I don’t like him and I want to push him away.

Post date: 24.01.2011 08:48

Anna

In my opinion, talking about yourself in the third person is quite normal, there is nothing special about it at all. In this way we avoid these multiple “I”s, and in general it is easier to assess the situation

Post date: 07.02.2011 00:40

Ndrey

Listen, psychologists, and if a person says about himself that he is “good, competent, handsome, and, moreover, a professional in his profession,” then what does he want, or subconsciously want, to show his subordinates?!!! How to react to such “nonsense” - send it somewhere else or remain silent in a rag? The second is not particularly acceptable, because... there is dignity, and sending is tantamount to dismissal.

Post date: 22.03.2011 15:03

shizzska

2 Ndrey.
Psychologists don’t have telepathy, and don’t understand what the word “nonsense” means to you, so don’t be so dismissive, I’m sure you don’t like being addressed like that either. I think you should describe the situation in more detail.

I have the same problem, my father is a very self-centered person, that is, he does whatever he wants, whenever he wants, constantly yells at family members, while pointing his finger at himself and saying how cool, handsome and a jack of all trades he is, and when we asked to demonstrate his abilities, he politely refused. He considers foam flying from his mouth to be his only argument to prove he is right. In reality, I didn’t take any part in raising us (I’m the younger brother, 19 years old; the older brother is 27), other than beating and screaming. Mmm, I don’t know how to put pressure on my father so that he would understand that besides him, there are many other people in the house who also have an opinion.